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Good eye, MichaelSmith. It'd be nice if under "Additional Info" on the right hand side it also said "This is a sponsored group."
But that's just my 2 cents. : )
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They do? What, do I need a new pair of glasses? Curse being in the 40s. Curse it, I say.
::goes off to look for notice::
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...bumping into random walls along the way... ;+)
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Got that right!
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I think the *sponsored by* text should be a bit bigger. :)
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Yes. And the fact that it's a rather faint grey colour makes things worse. I am very proud of myself for spotting it at all.
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Are you allowed to use Flickr for educational purposes?
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So many ways you can go wrong here.
a) There are no fair use exceptions on Flickr. Unless you took every photo in your photostream, you are not following Flickr guidelines. They can delete your account with no further warning. You won't be able to upload anything 'educational' that someone else created.
b) Every person participating has to have their own Flickr account. People cannot share an account. A class cannot share an account.
c) If you're working for a for-profit business, you'll have to get permission from Flickr first. Most educational institutions have their own websites to host images on.
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If by "educational" you mean teaching people how to go to your Etsy page?
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No Searcher, I mean helping others to learn about depression glass and midcentury glass by sharing my collection and answering questions, and that was a fairly hostile answer .
I did take every photo in my photostream. I am an individual collector I'm not affiliated with any organization. These photos are all of items that I do or have owned. oh, and the Dog Story is my own little dog and I not trying to find a publisher.
So am I in violation?
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Well, if you want to start a website where you teach people about these things, the only requirement would be that you use only your own photos (or cc-commercial licensed ones) and that each photo is linked back to its own photopage on Flickr.
If you have any Google ads, or other ads on that web page, you will need to use only commercially licensed CC photos.
Otherwise, what's wrong with using the groups you already belong to? Surely there are a lot of people in those groups with questions. That's about as educational as you can be!
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Um, guys? I'm a little lost here. This user doesn't even have their etsy shop in their profile. They do have it on their group's page (which prbably shouldn't be there, charmings).
If they have a stream with photos and ways to identify depression era glass, I fail to see how that violates the CG. I mean, I have some photoshop tutorials and a couple of video tutorials as to how to use a GM script for one of the groups I run. I've seen tutorials of all sorts on Flickr.
You know I'm not into etsy sales on Flickr, but this user (except for the link on the group's front page) is staying within the bounds established so far as I can see. Or am I missing something?
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My first answer was without looking at her profile.
My second one is still "What's wrong with using the groups you already belong to?"
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Ok, but what is wrong with having a ton of photos in your stream and "educational" info in the descriptions?
Title: Sandhill Crane
[image of a sandhill crane]
Description: Blah Blah Blah migratory patterns, feeding, mating info, best place to spot them, see the geo-tag for exact location, blah blah blah.
I think the user just wants to know if it's OK to have the depression era glasses in her stream with information as to how to ID them. Again, I'm not seeing where the CG forbids this, and if it does, then I need to remove a ton of material from my stream.
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Thank you Colleen. I don't have a website, but as a glass enthusiast I find it helpful to have photos and descriptions of lesser know patterns available through an internet search. Therefore I am trying to provide just that with my photographs and tags. I was quite flattered that there was some doubt that I took all the photos myself! I am also an administrator of the Depression And Mid Century Glass ID Help group here on Flicker. We just had a very interesting discussion on car vases, yes there is such a thing!, and what dates constitute true Depression Glass, a question that really doesn't have a definitive answer. But I digress. I would like to be assured that my account and the group are not in violation or informed if they are.
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The only violation that I can see is what zyrcster pointed out.
Remove the etsy link from the group home page.
You are allowed to have one link to a commercial webpage in your profile, so put it there.
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I only posted it because the group set up asks for a website. I'll change it immediately. Is a link to my blog or myspace account allowed? Thank you very much for the help, thanks to you also zyrcster. One thing I don't understand however is the "What's wrong with using the groups you already belong to?" I don't belong to any groups. I don't believe there is a group that specifically addresses depression and midcentury glass identification or I would have joined instead of making the effort to administer the DMCGIDH group. I'm off to fix the group.
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charmings You don't need to enter any website for your group. If you do, it's best that it be a non-commercial link.
You can however, put a link to your etsy shop in your own profile, if you like.
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I will consider doing that, it seems to be a trigger for some people. Thanks for your kindness zyrcster.
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That group looks like a great way to educate people. As long as you don't do any of the things talked about above, you should be fine.
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I didn't mean to sound hostile, sorry. But quite often people who wish to sell things on Flickr come around asking for any little loophole to be allowed to do it, or to try to do so in a more public way than the allowed "link in your profile" limitation. Not having a shop on Etsy would have gone a ways towards believing you that you're just enjoying your hobby here, not trying to generate sales. But since you do have a shop on Etsy, that you use to sell the same things you're displaying here, and have a link to that shop in your group, I'm sorry but there's going to be at least a first impression that your intent may be for more than education.
But if you aren't using Flickr to sell things, you're fine. There's lots of educational and hobbyist groups and photostreams on Flickr. have at it.
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lol, you should see my house, I have to sell some things! I can't just buy and buy but I don't seem to be able to stop. There always seems to be something I want more than what I already have. Then there are those impulse buys that are usually mistakes. Plus I don't want my DH to divorce me for crowding him out of house and home. I do understand your concern, however vintage glass is my passion as they say and we glassies love nothing better than discussing the nuances of collecting and the differences in eras and patterns and where did you find that and so forth.
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Personally, if a person wants to use their flickr as a PORTFOLIO of their crafts and handmade goods, and they have a link in their profile, I don't see a problem with this. Crafting is a part of many people's lives and etsy is just one way to share their crafts with the rest of the world. An etsy profile link is no different than having a link to your deviantart account where you can buy/sell things there.
I have many of my favourite sellers on etsy as contacts on flickr and love to see progress pictures and final product pictures before they move everything to etsy to sell. This is the part that is confusing to many of us (I'm referring to the Blythe/doll community) because we are not overtly advertising "our wares" or whatever you people call them... Most if not all the contacts that I do have who sell things on etsy build a rapport with us by showing their work on flickr. The contacts they gain are not ones added haphazardly by the user, but by other users who want to see more of their work.
I'm not trying to justify selling on flickr, I know that is against the rules...but many of my friends are under the chopping block and are having their accounts deleted left, right and centre for just having dolly pictures (catalogues of our products?!? as it's been mentioned here) in abundance. Also, why all the scrutiny on the doll and craft community? There are so very very many "for sale" pictures, from t-shirts to cameras that are being left alone.
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A link in your profile is fine -- that's been established.
Sale prices and links to your etsy site in your photo's descriptions or For Sale as a tag is not -- that's also been established.
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@zyrcster
but can one have 'make me an offer' as a tag?
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myra ◦° wrote Also, why all the scrutiny on the doll and craft community? There are so very very many "for sale" pictures, from t-shirts to cameras that are being left alone. They're all vulnerable -- all it takes is someone to hit "Report Abuse". They just don't all have focal points, as Etsy is for the craft community, which has made a shortcut for talking about the issue.
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I should think not. ;-)
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 Ah, I understand all that. I think I was mainly responding to a certain user who seems to have a vendetta against the doll/etsy community.
Part of me is just a little confused as to how one can separate the two... photos that are related to the things that you are selling on etsy, no price tags or sale lingo attached showing up on your flickrstream and a link to your etsy in your profile... you're not overtly selling, but it's implied that it's for sale? It's abuse, but at the same time, not having broken any of the rules, it's not abuse. What stops those report-happy people?
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myra ◦° wrote What stops those report-happy people? Just because an account is reported doesn't mean that Staff will act on it. The final decision rests on the Flickr Staff member who reviews the account.
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And just because you choose to post photos of a hobby, doesn't make you automatically intent on selling them. Most people recognize the distinction. There's nothing wrong with etsy, there's just issues with turning Flickr into a sales floor. If people aren't doing that, it's just another craft.
Flickr should recognize it's own rules and exceptions on this, so just like false-reporting anything, those reports would be ignored.
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Nothing wrong with either etsy creators or the blythe / dal / pullip collectors - it's those amongst them who blatantly use their Flickr accounts as sales tools that are the problem.
Those who use their accounts to host eBay auction photos, sell houses, t-shirts, etc, are actually far worse - their Flickr accounts exist for the sole reason of selling....
There's a clear distinction (which has been pointed out many times...) between someone saying "Hey, look at the great etsy stuff I make!" and another saying "Hey, buy this now for $9.99 on etsy!". The first celebrates the creativity of the maker, which is fine. The second is just a sales pitch.
Which is not fine...
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My account is deleted without any warning or email to notify me. Yahoo staff told me that I had violated Terms Of Services & Community Guidelines when I wrote to them to make an enquiry.
This is a very vague explanation as Yahoo should tell me what exactly I have violated so that I do not repeat the same mistake again.
I do not think I had violated any Community Guidelines at all as I did not copy the photos and I did not sell on Flickr website. I did not even have any links to shops on my Flickr Profile Page. In fact my Flickr Profile Page is blank. I do not have any links to ebay as I am not an eBay seller. Yahoo Auctions website is down, so there is no way that I have links on Yahoo Auctions.
i am really confused why my account is deleted. Community Guidelines Page is confusing as the description is very vague.
I am a collector of mugs and my photos shows pictures of various kinds of mugs.
1) Are photos of mugs a violation of Terms Of Service & Community Guidelines?
2) Am I allowed to open another free Flickr Account using the same email address? I know there is a CREATE NEW ACOUNT on the page but I am asking to clarify my doubts so that my account will not be deleted again as it is time consuming to upload photos.
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Did you do anything in groups?
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Walwyn - I do not know what is group or how to create a group as I an new to Flickr.
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I saw these 2 Flickr members which are selling items at Flickr website and Yahoo did not cancel their accounts and I am not selling anything on Flickr website and yet my account is cancelled. It is really very confusing for me to figure out the reason.
www.flickr.com/photos/karsh/136680011/in/photostream/
flickr.com/photos/jstar_closet88/
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Yep, they're the sort of thing that'll get you deleted - no ambiguity whatsoever...
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cerreal You were caught. They have not (yet) been caught.
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Dr Keats - You mean I cannot have photos of mugs in Flickr even though I am not seling them.
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Dr Keats - I read in one of the answers that Flickr members are allowed to put links of their shop on Flickr Profile Page, so what is wrong with my photos of mugs when I did not put any price or anything that imply that I am seling them?
Can anybody recommend me a free photo website that allows commercial use and does not delete accounts like Yahoo does.
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cerreal The almost universal experience here is that we have indignant complaints about deletion. Then, after a few questions and information extracted from the complainant after about 30 exchanges the reason for deletion becomes clear. So the default position is cynicism.
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OK. Did staff actually tell you it was for commercial use? If they didn't why are you assuming that it was? Bear in mind that it could have been for some other reason in the guidelines.
Anyway lets assume that you got deleted for commercial use.
If your stream contained nothing but photos of mugs then it is possible that it looked like a product catalog of some sort. A few people put photographs of 'things' on flickr and then link to them from some commercial web site. Perhaps you did that, or gave the impression that you were doing that. Did you have descriptions of the mugs under each photo, and could those descriptions have appeared to look like you were selling the items? Comments or tags like, but not limited to, 'For sale' or 'Sold' would do it.
Also if each photo has a watermark saying 'www.mugs.shop.com' woyld probably do it too.
If after really, really, thinking about what you were using the account for, you are sure that you were not using if for any commercial purpose, that you weren't using flickr to host images for a commercial site, etc. Then write back to flickr and explain that you cannot understand why the account was deleted as you weren't using it commercially.
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Walwyn - No the staff did not mention commercial use. It just mention violate Terms Of Condition & CG. I assume that it is commerical use as violations are regarding commercial use and copying of photos right? I am not guilty of both charges.
I do not have any descriptions of the mugs in my Flickr album and I also do not have tags or descriptions of FOR SALE & SOLD, etc. I also did not use Flickr to host images for a commerical site as I do not have any website for seling items. I do not have watermark lke 'www.mugs.shop.com' on my item as well. I only have ID on my photo as I do not want anybody to copy my photo. Is ID on photo a violation as well?
So that is why I am very confused why my account is deleted. Very disappointed with Yahoo. Guess I need to look for other free photo website.
Hope someone can recommend me a free photo website free of virus.
Guess it is no use to appeal to Yahoo as it is final once the account is deleted and I don't think there is any way for them to retrieve my photos.
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cerreal - no, I said that the examples of other accounts you offered above were what would get you deleted. I've said nothing whatsover about your previous account, because I never saw it..
Photos of mugs are perfectly fine, so long as you're not openly selling them, or giving the impression that you're selling them. Having photos of items you collect is not a problem, there's thousands of such accounts on here - glassware, Tupperware, etc.
They're fine. The two accounts you linked to are the sort of thing that's wrong. If you do that, you're deleted as soon as Flickr find out. Just having photos of mugs which you collect really shouldn't be a problem...
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Well other question to ask is what was depicted on those mugs?
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Dr Keats - This is what I thought as well but my account is still deleted. My Flickr Album is totally different from the 2 examples that I had quoted just now. Very disappointed that Yahoo did not do a thorough check before they delete accounts.
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Walywyx - I put the name of mug as description like for example - 2 Pcs SIA Mug. I state the quantity as well for my own reference so that I can remember how many pieces I have.
Does this description give Yahoo staff the impression that it is for commercial use?
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cerreal Yep.
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Quantity could well be the problem..
There was a Tupperware collector a few weeks back who had their account deleted - if I recall correctly, an apology was issued and the account re-instated although the photos were gone...
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iasand - If this is the case Yahoo Staff should have emailed me requesting me to change my description instead of deleting my account without any warning. It is no problem for me to delete off the quantity from my description if I am asked to do so.
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cerreal Nope
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Dr Keats - Oh I see. So Yahoo Staff should email reported members to check whether their account is used commercially before they take action to delete their account as once the photos are gone, there is no way to retrieve them.
Yahoo simply delete accounts of reported members without doing any investigation on the account.
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cerreal Yep
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cerreal "Yahoo simply delete accounts of reported members without doing any investigation on the account. "
That's not how it works. If someone reports your account to Flickr for violating the CG, then Flickr staff review the account. Flickr staff decide if any of the Community Guidelines or TOS have been broken. Flickr staff decide what penalty is appropriate.
Another Flickr member can report your account. But only Flickr staff can decide whether you are breaking the rules or not.
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That's not what cerreal meant - flickr does delete the account without investigation in the sense that flickr only visually reviews the account. But then flickr staff just make a judgment call without inquiring of the owner first. When flickr sees certain things, they just assume it must be commercial use even if it isn't. They do not contact the account holder to make further inquiries.
Which is what cerreal meant.
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Ok, if by 'investigation' cerreal means 'having an email conversation with the account holder', you're right.
I'd hate to think how many hundreds more staff Flickr would need in order to implement a system like that. Sometimes they get backed up even now.
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RubyMae - You are right. This is what I mean.
Yahoo Staff should not just assume that the photos are for commercial use. They should check with the account holder first and make sure that there is no mistake before they delete the account.
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cerreal Out of curiosity, what was the name on your old account?
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To get to your 2nd question, yes, you can create another account with that address.
This time it might be useful to make it very clear in your profile that nothing in your account is for sale. Say that explicitly so that if someone reports your account again, the information is available to staff during the account review process.
Flickr does not, and is not going to add to their payroll just so people here can get warning emails, or in-depth investigations. It adds expenses without adding any income. Most successful businesses find ways to cut costs, not increase them.
You will probably be fine if your profile page has an announcement that these photos are just to display your collection and none of them are available to sell or swap.
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ColleenM - Thank you for the suggestion.
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www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/75298/page4/#reply493576
They've disappeared now.
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"There's a clear distinction (which has been pointed out many times...) between someone saying "Hey, look at the great etsy stuff I make!" and another saying "Hey, buy this now for $9.99 on etsy!". The first celebrates the creativity of the maker, which is fine. The second is just a sales pitch.
Which is not fine... "
I know as well as you do that on occasion there are some blatant misuses of flickr, but it's rather harsh to pin it on the entire community of Blythe, Pullip, Dal or other doll lovers.
hmm... sometimes the distinction isn't so black and white. Say you don't have the price attached the image ergo, it's not for sale but the caption is something along the lines of "Look at what I made! I used such and such materials, such and such method, etc..." it can be interpreted as listing for the sake of reference or a suspicious sales pitch. Flickr can zone in and shut down your account (without warning!!) because you're giving them an impression of selling?!? Even if you haven't broken a rule, you're left with nothing. There's a whole lot of trouble that you need to go through in order to get your accounts back and even then, as you mentioned, pictures aren't restored which is the entire point of having a flickr account (as place to store and share pictures).
I'm just thinking that etsy/Blythe/Pullip people or any collector or crafts person can have their account mistaken as a catalogue of items even if they aren't selling the item in the image in question... like cerreal. And especially if they don't have any "real" pictures of people/scenery or any other usual flickr-fare? I personally do not sell anything on flickr, but nearly 90% of my images are doll-related (some photoshopped, like a "catalogue") and I don't feel comfortable nor do I feel the need to post anything other than doll-related shots. Why is that suspicious? Why do I need to post "real" shots or indicate that "nothing is for sale"? It's obvious to me that nothing is for sale and it's obvious to my friends/contacts... but not to some random report-happy-passer-by-er or apparently, flickr staff?!? Shouldn't it already be implied? It seems a little unfair that collectors/etsy-ers need to do this to keep their accounts safe.... especially if other flickr users don't need to indicate that the clothes they are wearing aren't for sale if they post a picture of themselves, yet look like they've just walked out of a Sears catalogue.
Flickr has shut down (with and without warnings) to many of my friends who haven't used flickr as a sales platform, but have used it in a similar manner as I have... and there's so much confusion and havoc in our doll community to try to keep our accounts safe.
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Myra, are you 100% positive that your friends had nothing sales related in their tags, titles or descriptions? No prices, no websites linked, no watermarks with the web address embedded in the photo, no For Sale tags, etc?
None of here knows why cerreal was deleted. For all we know, they were deleted for being creepy or for having too many blocks against their account. Until staff gets back to them with why their account was deleted, it's all conjecture.
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"It seems a little unfair that collectors/etsy-ers need to do this to keep their accounts safe"
it is a little unfair. But so is the relegation of artwork to "second class citizen", not allowed in the default public searches, not allowed in Explore, etc. It's just a symptom of Flickr's focus, which is photography. It's true that photographing crafts is photography, but those crafts are also art. Yet craft folk don't labor under the same limitations as painters and illustrators, just because technically they can call it a photograph.
And along those lines, photos of products, or things, or creations, are always going to look like that. Flickr just might always be a place where photostreams full of nothing but dolls and crafts, will always be suspect and not given the same opportunities nor benefit of doubt, as other photography. It's a little unfair, but not dissimilar to how other arts are viewed on Flickr. A little bit second class.
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myra ◦° "but not to some random report-happy-passer-by-er or apparently, flickr staff?!? "
If you want to have an account that looks like (to the random passer-by) that it is breaking the rules, then you have to take the chance that a random passer-by will report it to Flickr. Because that's how this site enforces its rules. Flickr relies on the community to let Flickr know if an account looks like it's skirting close to the edge, or looks like its breaking the rules.
It's how Flickr works. If my account has a bunch of stuff that makes it clear to the random passer by that I'm using the account the way the rules require, then I won't get reported.
It's really your choice. Anyone can set up an account that appears to violate the rules. You just have to deal with it if Flickr decides that you really are breaking the rules. Accounts that don't appear to be breaking the rules don't get reported as frequently as those that do.
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myra - it's not the entire etsy / doll communities which are at fault, it's the "moron element" among them who insist on using Flickr to sell. There are threads on etsy offering methods to "get around" Flickr's rules. Some doll collectors are doing the same by sneaky key-phrases like "for adoption" (surprise surprise, there's a fee).
As I stated previously, just showcasing your collection shouldn't be a problem...
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It seems to me that the key issue here is the definition of the word commercial.
If I as a private person want to showcase pieces from my personal collection and perhaps trade pieces from it, I would hesitate to call that commercial. In general, a collector isn't someone who makes a lot of money off his/her collecting. In fact, most of the time you loose money when you sell something because you're looking to replace that item with something else more expensive.
To me commercial means you can make a living from what you're selling (or at least a profit).
I think this interpretation of the word commercial is what may be causing the confusion. A lot of people on Etsy don't make a living out of what they're selling, but it's more of a hobby on the side. This might be why they don't identify themselves as commercial, i.e. a company selling products, and therefore don't think they are violating the ToR of Flickr.
(That said, I know there has been an increase in people only using their Flickr accounts for promoting their Ebay sales and that does annoy me. I come here mainly to see photos of other people's collections. Progress photos of fellow crafters' works are great fun and act as inspiration.)
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Yea, I think we've been down the definition of commercial before. It's not about profit, however. There are plenty of large corporate entities that bleed profits.
For Flickr, it's about selling. One staff member ever said it's about barter. So, "trading" "adopting" "sellling" -- probably best to err on the side of caution rather than get into semantic squiggles about that the term "commercial" means.
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For example: Amazon was started in 1995. They turned their first profitable quarter in 2002. I think everything that happened in between was still very much commercial.
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ffefryn I agree with you regarding interpretation of the word COMMERCIAL. Commercial also means having a shop to sell items.
But Yahoo does not classify COMMERCIAL in this way. Once they see photos of item collections, they will suspect that the account holder is selling those items and delete the account without any warning.
My account was deleted because my photos shows collection of mugs and there is nothing wrong with my photos at all but too bad all the members here do not believe that there is nothing wrong with my photos.
I even state in my Profile Page that I am a collector of mugs and yet my account is deleted without any warning. Very depressing and frustrating.
I did a search at Flickr website and there are a lot of photos of mugs as well but their accounts are not deleted.
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cerreal STOP IT.
You have NO idea why you were deleted, so stop running around this forum telling people lies before you get people worked up into a lather.
At this point, based on your behavior, it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that you were deleted for being creepy.
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zyrcster What do you mean by creepy? Don't use bombastic language.
For your infom I DID NOT TELL ANY LIES. DO NOT ACCUSE ME OF THINGS THAT I DID NOT DO. I HATE THAT.
You also would not lke it if someone accuses you of things that you did not do.
I had told you that you do not need to reply to me if you are not happy with my queries.
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Eh, "bombastic" is more bombastic than "creepy".
I honestly do not think flickr deletes an account without checking, let alone multiple ones of yours.
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cerreal I'm not calling you a liar, I'm telling you that you do not not know what specific guidelines you were terminated for, and so you cannot tell others that you were terminated unfairly.
Many people have explained this to you, and yet you are still running around telling people that you were terminated unfairly. Well, until you hear back from staff (you did email them back to ask specifically why you were terminated like we told you do, right?), you cannot say for certainty that you were unfairly terminated, because you do not know.
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stop running around this forum telling people lies before you get people worked up into a lather.
zyrcster Your above sentence clearly implies that I am telling a lie. Sorry that I am worked up just now as I do not like to be wrongly accused of things that I did not do.
Yes I emailed Yahoo many days ago but no reply regarding reason of termination till now. I emailed them before you told me to do so.
jade_c Too bad you also do not trust what I say and keep siding with Yahoo.
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Then you must wait and not assume that you were unfairly banned.
The truth is: you do not know why your accounts were terminated.
So, when you hear back from staff, you will know.
Until then, it's not good to tell people that you were unfairly treated -- you have shown us that you don't seem to understand things very well, and it could very well be that you were terminated for a very good reason.
But we don't know.
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cerreal - the fact that you don't think you were doing anything wrong doesn't mean that you weren't. Just like the fact that you think you've been treated unfairly doesn't mean that you have...
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Quite. Semantics can get you into trouble. I was merely trying to suggest why some people didn't consider themselves "commercial".
The difference is perhaps in the intent? As a collector you don't generally set out to make a living out of your collection, unless you become a dealer. But Amazon is a business venture.
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The point is not whether you are making a living or not -- the point is that if you are using Flickr to sell, barter, or adopt a product, you are most likely going to run smack into the Community Guidelines and have a problem (like being terminated).
As an example, that Blythe doll adoption group has posts in it about the type of doll available and the price of the doll. I somehow doubt those people are paying their rent off their adoption/sales fees, but it's still not what Flickr's purpose is.
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Regardless of what the definitions of "commercial" should be, it has been clearly interpreted by Flickr to include any act of selling or bartering. If you think it should be interpreted differently, you might look to see if that's been proposed yet in Flickr Ideas. Flickr may have no flexibility on this, though, since it may be a larger corporate Yahoo interpretation.
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I'm not arguing that either. I fully accept the Guidelines that you are not allowed to sell anything straight off the site. I was only trying to explain how people can become confused, especially if they are not English speaking. (Which also makes me wonder if Flickr staff are fluent in different languages to check for sales posts in Spanish, French, or different Asian languages etc.) A lot of people sign up for online communities without reading the rules, most probably because they don't really understand the language.
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Flickr staff is worldwide, so I'm pretty sure there are staff that are fluent in other languages.
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You're right. I see now there are different language sites for Flickr.
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@*ffefryn* (toveb) : Intent to make a living is not part of the dictionary definition.
Commercial: 1) Concerned with or engaged in commerce.
2) Making or intended to make a profit.
Commerce: the activity of buying and selling.
So, according to the dictionary, you are engaged in a commercial activity if you engage in buying or selling. Intending to make a profit is not the same thing as intending to make a living.
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As far as the word goes, the word "creepy" is used in the Community Guidelines. They specifically tel |
